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Post by TwoFox on Jun 19, 2012 1:00:14 GMT
@seric
Hmm, before you mentioned sleepwalking being caused by sensitivity to a certain kind of energy. Could that be the presence you're feeling? Or is it different?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 1:49:11 GMT
@ Twofox
The presence I feel is definitely my other kintypes. But I don't usually sense them at night. I don't sense them too often, or maybe I do and I just ignore them. I'm very energy sensitive, and have had to learn to block it out to be in crowds, so that's possible.
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House of Chimeras
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Post by House of Chimeras on Jun 19, 2012 1:57:58 GMT
@ Seric -
From what we have read there is actually some debate still on the consequences of walking up a sleepwalker though the most realistic concerns are that a sleepwalker once awakened may become disoriented or confused and either accidentally hurt themselves or someone around them in the confusion.
Maybe we just find it confusing that in our innerworld you see all of your other kintypes or forms which is something alien to us. In our system that would mean them being different (unless in our system they are our daemons or just non-headmate creatures in our innerworld). Course, innerworlds/headspaces work differently for each person.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:03:45 GMT
@ Zeoriel
That probably is the reason not to wake a sleepwalker.
Really? Hmm... its been that way for me for a long time. I just can't tell if they are me or someone else. :/ Do you know if it's like that for other multiples as well? The headspace, I mean, and the confusion.
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Post by House of Chimeras on Jun 19, 2012 2:11:33 GMT
@ Seric -
What do you mean?
Every system is different. We've met a few systems who have no innerworld, others have only themselves in their innerworld alone, while others have both themselves and non-headmate enitites. However we have heard of someone having their kintypes as separate in their innerworld though we have seen other otherkin see their forms and/or kintypes as being within them as being separate in their mind's eye but still being 'them.' Course, outside of multiple meaning "multiple individual people sharing a physical body" anything beyond that can go just about anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:13:52 GMT
@ Zeoriel
About the confusion - I meant do multiples have confusion as to whether someone/thing is another spirit or something else? Do you often get confusion on what's what and who's who, etc?
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Post by House of Chimeras on Jun 19, 2012 2:20:21 GMT
@ Seric-
I've heard that some can, but never personally met someone who had confusions like that. I do know that both in our own system with Earth Listener and someone in another system we have met and gotten to know both had confusion on if we were imaginary friends or characters or something like that.
Plus we know one person online named Amourosa who originally thought she was a wolf therian but found out she was just human with a wolf "alter" (her perfected word last time we heard from her).
We don't personally get any real confusion on who is who and what is what, and who is what. But again each system works differently.
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TwoFox
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Post by TwoFox on Jun 19, 2012 2:32:25 GMT
@seric
What if you were less of a multiple and more of a conglomerate. A collection of souls and/or spirits. This is going to sound kind of crazy, but what if instead of having a spirit or soul join you in your headspace, it was absorbed and it's energy made part of your own. I mean people are absorbing energy all the time, right? I mean, I know you're sensitive to energy, but what if you were actually doing it in your sleep. I mean you can walk and talk, why not absorb spirits too XD . That sounds really far fetched doesn't it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:38:29 GMT
@ Zeoriel Thanks for the help, if you think of anything else, don't hesitate to post. @ Twofox Every theory should be given some thought... it's possible, but I don't ever really seem to sense spirits around me. But it's a good theory... hmm... my head is starting to hurt from all this... @ Thread Naukha put this quite nicely: "We operate as separate, but sometimes the lines are blurred, and we are actually technically the same entity." I think that may be good to describe me, but again, I can't tell if they are me or separate spirits... darn fuzzy lines. >< EDIT: Naukha just keeps coming up with good ways of putting it: "The only reason Horse can front and type to talk to you guys is because I'm in the background sort of "translating" it into words. It's kind of tricky to explain xD" "Except I have the habit of anticipating Horse, and either distracting him, or coming out of the shift forcefully if I felt like hes going to do anything crazy. XD" *Also, if you are wondering why I'm quoting Naukha instead of her posting, she's talking about something unrelated on Skype, and gave me permission to quote her.* I think this is a good way of describing how I feel. I'm still not sure of all this, though, it will require much thought and discussion, and talking to you guys has helped a LOT, so thanks. :3 If anymore thoughts, anything at all, come up, please post.
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Post by House of Chimeras on Jun 19, 2012 2:47:14 GMT
@ Zeoriel Thanks for the help, if you think of anything else, don't hesitate to post. Always. Same if you have any questions - as always. @ Thread Naukha put this quite nicely: "We operate as separate, but sometimes the lines are blurred, and we are actually technically the same entity." I think that may be good to describe me, but again, I can't tell if they are me or separate spirits... darn fuzzy lines. >< Identity, the mind, perception, and ways of going about labeling things is always fun on words and descriptions except when they are plum driving you crazy. - Kardegray
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:48:57 GMT
@ Kardegray
That's a good way of putting it. XD It's all just labels. I suppose even if I don't have a word for it I still know what I am, somewhat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:55:10 GMT
@seric: One of my favorite lines of the Tao says something along the lines of, "Naming is the origin of all particular things." which I've always interpreted as something akin to, "Putting labels on things limits you in understanding them." Which is why I didn't put too much work into finding a label to put on me and Horse. Yes, it's difficult to describe us to others, but at the same time I like the opportunity to describe myself in greater detail than to just say "I am am 'X'." Just throwing that out there. Unsure of how relevant it is. :3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 2:58:32 GMT
@ Naukha
That's a good saying... and a good way of putting it. Thanks. :3
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 3:55:42 GMT
@seric
I know you've said that in the past, you only sleepwalked during periods of intense stress/drama. You also mentioned that life has been pretty stressful for the last three years and is just now starting to get better.
Something I've noticed is that as we get older, we are more able to "bottle" things. You've probably come across the euphemism before. As such, it is very likely that you have been "bottling" the stress of the last three years and not allowing it to express itself. As such, now that your mind is finally relaxing a little and has some breathing room, your subconscious is going to make an effort to purge that stress. Hence... sleepwalking. With three years worth of stress built up behind it, I get the feeling that this sleepwalking may go on for quite some time, unless you consciously put some effort into clearing out the stress of the last few years.
It really does sound like it is just sleepwalking. Sleepwalkers do crazy arse things regularly. So your subconscious saying it's afraid of a ball really could just be its way of processing things. Lots of people will get weird dreams and/or nightmares during or after stressful events. It just looks like you sleepwalk. Lol.
Though, it's very interesting to note that you have adverse reactions to artificial melatonin. It makes a person wonder if you are mildly allergic to your own natural melatonin. Stranger things have happened.
As for why children are more prone to sleepwalking, I'm relatively certain it has to do with the developing mind. Basically, when you are asleep, your motor cortex is supposed to "disengage" from your spinal cord. Sleepwalking results when the motor cortex doesn't disengage. (The entire brain is as active and firing asleep as when awake, by the way. It's just doing more "repair work" and "maintenance" while sleeping, versus learning and processing.) As children's brains are developing, growing, nurturing new neural connections, etc, it is more possible for an "error" to occur and that switch to not get flipped. As growth slows down as an adult and the brain matures, there's less possibility for errors because there are less changes occurring. Make sense?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 5:33:50 GMT
@ Fearecia
That does make sense. However, I never said I sleptwalked when I was stressed. I happened at random every few years, and during very intense (but very, very good) dreams. Also, I make sure to always dump all my stress/worries on someone else, usually my mom. XD I doubt there's a thing I've left bottled... to be honest. Now, during those years, I did get a lot of nightmares. But no sleepwalking to my knowledge (during the stressful years that is) and the sleepwalking has only just now started, very suddenly, and when I'm very relaxed and have little stress. It's odd. And it has never happened every night before. Also, on the bottle of melatonin it says to not take it if you are 18 or under, I assume because of hormones. My mom pressured me into taking it anyway (I was literally about to turn 19 the night I took it) and I am also on hormone therapy, which I believe is what caused the reaction. I drink tons of cherry juice (which is high in melatonin) and that has never caused hallucinations. The hormone therapy does VERY weird things to me though. Although I wouldn't blame the sleepwalking on it, as I've been on it for a few years now. I believe its estrogen, used to treat chronic periods and ovarian cysts, which I had pretty badly. It's sure a lot better than dealing with a period that has you moaning in bed all day. :/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 16:11:00 GMT
An interesting amount of activity for this type of post I must say, but I would also like to contribute in the helping of Seric with my own thoughts.
I would have thought nothing strange of such events had it been me who was experiencing this sort of thing. As a matter of fact I have already experienced something very similar to this many years ago, even though I sleapt in my own room with all doors and windows locked shut, my parents frequently heard me speak and move around in the dead of the night. As I already said, there's a good possibility this is just normal human behavior, however I didn't just stop there myself when it happened to me.
You should rig up your room with at least one camera and more importantly, a sensitive microphone that's closer to you, than it is to your mom. Idealy, the camera would have some form of basic infrared lighting system to enable it to see in the dark, in black and white. You can get them really cheap these days, even the webcam ones for your laptop. I really urge you to do this, I only heard mumbling coming out of my mouth when I tried it, and not much movement, but hey, everyone is different.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 0:32:41 GMT
@ Kharu
Well, my mom wakes up easily so I can trust her to know when I do something. Unfortunately, I have literally no money, so there's no way I can do the camera/microphone thing. The only reason it concerns me is because it suddenly became so active.
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Post by DrakoEthnAegis on Jun 20, 2012 16:34:51 GMT
Ive had Rare Sleepwalking moments. some happened when I was with my sister. I would get up, walk around, then go back to bed. or once I got up, went to her room, and muttered something to her before going back to bed. I was also told I talked in my sleep a lot in the past. Bruya didnt do any of those incidents, so Im positive it was sleepwalking.
Has anything been happening in your waking hours that might have stressed or excited you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 19:41:18 GMT
@ Bryua
Not lately. Like I said, I've had a ton of stress over the last three years or so, but the last several months have been much better, and the last few weeks better yet. My mom hasn't said I've done anything in the last couple nights though. I'll have to ask her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 22:41:05 GMT
@ Thread One of the newer members, Superm4ssive said this in their intro: "On to more interesting things. I'm not alone. Aliens? Demons? John Malkovich? Nah, just a few fragments of my broken mind that have each gained their own respective sense of sentience, two of which are animals, none of which are psycho killers. Doesn't make them less real to me, and they all serve purpose, I guess. Good news is that I'd been m-shifting into a wolf long before I started to shift into another human, so I've learned to remain aware even if I'm not myself. At any one time, most of my personalities are awake, aware and observing the world while I live it (regardless of which me is driving). No memory blackouts for me, woohoo!" I thought that description is very close to perfect for me. At least, from what I already know of myself. I also found a multiple faq (STUPID AUTOMATIC POSTING!!!) EDIT: that describes me pretty well. This is the faq: kinhost.org/res/Multiplefaq.phpThese are the parts I'm interested in: "Aspected - used generally to refer to people who can purposefully switch their aspect to suit their moods. Sometimes called "faceted"." "Form - someone who defines aspects along lines of separate physical forms/races" "Split - someone who has actually divvied up mental resources into separately-acting persons. These are not people who joined the system from outside the body." "Form - someone who has split along lines of separate forms" "Analog - same person/s, different reality/dimension/universe" "Alter [p,m] It can be assumed that this term is shortened from alter-ego. Individual of a Split personality. Can be used to mean resident as well. Normally used for someone within a Split-Multiple. [Note: term not used in FAQ]" "Multiple [g] For the purposes of this FAQ, Multiple simply means "any physical entity which has more than one person inside of it." By person, it is not important whether they have their own spirit or soul or body: in this case the important part is that they have a separate psyche." "Split [g] When a spirit, psyche, or soul subdivides into separte possibly complete spirits, psyches or souls. A resident or alter defined or caused by this occurance." "Split-Multiple [o] A multiple entity comprised (partially or entirely) of splits." "splitting , pre-integrated , "purpled"[o] A confusing state where residents are not distinguishable from one another. Resident's thoughtstreams are not easily identified as their own. "Purpled" was coined by Dandelion (body-name for someone in the community) and seems to be sticking. [Not actually used in FAQ]"
I am aware that FAQ is not considered up to date, but it seems fine to me. And I know it does not have all the answers and is not the official definition of these terms. However, according to this, I am multiple, but have only one soul. Kind of. It just gets harder and harder to describe. I think I'm a bit beyond being split, but perhaps not having walk-ins. It's possible they are other spirits but I have had them there for my entire life aka was born with them, which is on that faq as well. I think if they were always there, it may be more difficult to distinguish them from myself. So, I am technically multiple. However, I am most often Seric/a glass dragon. So should I bother renaming myself/changing my category? I will (at some point here) try to make as complete an essay as possible on my 'residents'. I just don't really know what word to use for this, I suppose multiple can encompass many things, and I should use that? Anyway, please post opinions.
EDIT: This needs some clarification, I have come to the belief that I was born with extra spirits.
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Post by Alteras System on Jun 20, 2012 23:20:38 GMT
@seric
After reading that, and you stating you have spirits there, whether you were born with them like you said or they joined later, could be an indication of being a multiple.
We think it's just what you think is right, We've talked to people before who had headmates but didn't consider themselves multiples.
We've heard so many different terms for the same thing, it's just what you would like to call it. In the end, just like with a kintype discovery it's up to you to decide.
Also we know that site, we've read things on that too when figuring things out.
~Alteras
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 23:32:48 GMT
@ Alteras
Thank you for replying. I just have no idea what term to use. XD
@ Thread
I forgot to mention this, but I now think, after a lot of research and thought, that the spats of sleepwalking were just sleepwalking. I suppose its possible it was caused by watching that playthrough of Amnesia, but I didn't think it had affected me very much. Also now this thread isn't really about sleepwalking anymore, which I'm fine with. But if anyone has anything to say about it, feel free to post it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2012 0:01:12 GMT
@ seric My husband dose this, i usually ask him who he is first before i approach him because he like me has several sides, and some of them are not so nice. but i also ask him who i am and some times he will reply with one of my "other" names. and if he says one of them i allow them to come forward and deal with him, unless he says one of their names because she is a nasty tricky being to deal with and once she comes out its hard to convince her to go back where she belongs. However usually i will ask him what he wants or what he is trying to find, then once he answers me. I help him and usually we find it or do what ever it is he is wanting and when it is done he will usually go back to sleep, with no record of it when he wakes up, i have started keeping a journal of his responses and the times and dates. so that he can read them and see a pattern if there is one. as i have suspicions one of his "others" is lunar tied. hope this helps
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 23:33:57 GMT
@ gypseywolf
That is very interesting, and yes it does help. Thanks for sharing.
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