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Post by *****willow on Oct 5, 2016 13:18:00 GMT
I was researching therein because... reasons... curiosity i guess. (i am not one btw) This seems to be a reasonable video (and it was made by someone who says they were otherkin) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_vb34IOycwhat do you think of it? |
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Post by Salix discolor on Oct 5, 2016 13:21:20 GMT
hahahaha it went and censored the guest name i chose. lol. I know, ill just use the latin name of the plant as my guest name.
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Post by Reka on Oct 5, 2016 17:12:07 GMT
I don't think it will help much anyone. It says otherkin is only a spiritual belief and that otherkin are similar to furries but "a little bit more intense" which isn't true at all? There is no similarities between furries and otherkin, they are two completely different things. It's like saying that identifying as a lion and wearing a lion costume is almost the same. He also defines otherkinity as a religion, which is harmful to the community, otherkinity is not a religion.
I don't know in what forums that person has been in the past but otherkinity does not have to be spiritual, it can be spiritual, psychological or a mix of both, and there is certainly tons of people with who you can have normal adult conversations and not have to "walk on eggshells" to talk to them.
I think the video will confuse a lot of people and reinforce the "idea" that otherkin need to seek psychological help, and while some otherkin can have mental illnesses, we aren't all mentally ill.
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Post by Kasumi Noxumbra on Oct 5, 2016 17:54:22 GMT
I think I have to agree with Andriel about this. I know some Otherkin/Therians that are furries, so all in all it's okay to be both, but never have they been the same or have big similarities. To be Otherkin/Therian means that you feel you identify as "x" non-human creature, but to be a furry (in my understanding) is to simply dress/cosplay as a "x" favorite non-human creature (unless of course you feel you are both Otherkin/Therian and Furry). Granted some Otherkin/Therians dress as their kintype(s), but that all falls back to even if you identify as "x" non-human creature, dressing up/cosplaying as one's kintype(s) is nothing more than visually expressing the non-human identity to the public regardless of the reaction from it. I mean I have a faux tail but I really only wear it for Halloween if I dress up that year in a costume, but I don't consider myself to be a Furry nor do I feel the need to express my non-human identity.
As I've learned from a lot of misinformed members/guests that have passed through the forums here, in which we've tried to explain the widely approved definitions of Therianthropy, is that dressing up as one's non-human identity and going around in public generally causes a lot of people who don't understand it to seem that we have a mental illness. But the thing is that even if some of us have some sort of mental illness, our feeling of identifying as a non-human creature isn't a mental illness, it just falls back to the mass of population living on this planet doesn't simply either care to understand or they refuse to understand it for one reason or another. Most refuse to understand it simply because it goes against their religion and what they were taught. Which brings me to think that is why a lot of people seem to think that Therianthropy is a religion even though it technically is not.
Either way, in all honesty, that person seems like their just another misinformed person out in the world. Possibly by Tumblr or something similar. So yeah I agree again with Andriel, and have to say this video will most likely confuse a lot of people once more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 20:31:09 GMT
I have to agree with Kasumi and Andriel.... This person in the Youtube video seems highly confused about all of this and hasnt done there research fully enough to understand what Otherkinity is. Some of what I wanted to say has already been said but-
It's best to stay away from communities like Tumblr, or Facebook when it comes to Otherkin/Therian. On those sites, you have misguided kids who look at it as a trend and get the wrong idea about Otherkin/Therian. This is why you have those angry responses when they get question about "Why do you feel like X animal?" because they arent and are just pretending.
Also, Otherkin/Therian is not a religion, we do have some who believe in a religion but its completely separate.
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Post by Thrix on Oct 9, 2016 12:10:27 GMT
Well I decided to write a long comment and tell him where he succeeded and where he went wrong. His reply was simply "Well thank you for giving me something to think about  " Translation: Please shut up, I couldn't care less The smiley is what seals the deal! |
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Post by G.D. on Oct 9, 2016 12:32:01 GMT
I finally broke down and watched it. This guy has no idea what Otherkin are and he should probably be beat with a bat while being lectured on his mistakes and pseudo intellectualism. Also, Thrix, kek. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 12:54:21 GMT
Well I decided to write a long comment and tell him where he succeeded and where he went wrong. His reply was simply "Well thank you for giving me something to think about :)" Translation: Please shut up, I couldn't care less The smiley is what seals the deal! Your comments are always of the highest quality Thrix. :) Seriously though. I finally broke down and watched it. This guy has no idea what Otherkin are and he should probably be beat with a bat while being lectured on his mistakes and pseudo intellectualism. Also, Thrix , kek. I concur. Especially with the bat. Ultimately there's a huge variance within the otherkin community. Some people definitely fall under what this guy portrays. But others don't. Saying that everybody fits under this particular definition is dangerous. I hate to use this comparison since otherkin are NOT a religion, as others have said, but it's like saying ALL Muslims are Jihadists. Or all Christians are KKK members. It's just simply factually incorrect. You're taking a sample of the group and saying that it's reflective of everybody within the group. That's just plain incorrect. I'd also like to point out that doing so is an extremely anti-intellectual thing to do and kind of undercuts this guy's credibility. If he can't understand that otherkin is a disorganized, loosely affiliated community on the premise that some humans feel non human and identify as such, then frankly he's either misinformed (entirely possible since I'll readily admit there's a very vocal portion of the community who are crazies), has a pre-created opinion on what we are that he's trying to push or being disingenuous. I believe the latter, because of that god damned smiley. |
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Post by Reka on Oct 9, 2016 15:46:40 GMT
I finally broke down and watched it. This guy has no idea what Otherkin are and he should probably be beat with a bat while being lectured on his mistakes and pseudo intellectualism. I had a detailed image of you doing that in my head and it was fun to watch  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 18:16:07 GMT
Well I decided to write a long comment and tell him where he succeeded and where he went wrong. His reply was simply "Well thank you for giving me something to think about " Translation: Please shut up, I couldn't care less The smiley is what seals the deal! I finally broke down and watched it. This guy has no idea what Otherkin are and he should probably be beat with a bat while being lectured on his mistakes and pseudo intellectualism. Also, Thrix , kek. Ultimately there's a huge variance within the otherkin community. Some people definitely fall under what this guy portrays.
And I feel you on that Geist. Like Andriel said, I could see you doing it lol XD. May I join you with a sock full of soap bars as my weapon of choice?
But seriously, his whole video is just utterly cringe worthy, I dont think I ever finished it. Whats worse is that his ignorance is spreading as a "fact" to others, I mean...the comment section says it all. =/ |
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Post by G.D. on Oct 9, 2016 23:14:32 GMT
@misae, yes. Join me. We shall bring pain and education to him. Reka, :3. |
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Post by Salix discolor on Oct 10, 2016 11:01:34 GMT
Ok, sorry for not bothering to reply for like 5 days, lol, you know life can be busy... But I read through all of this and my take is that you think it's a bull**** video. I thought maybe it would have been accurate since Kothorix did have experience being a part of the therein community. Are you saying you think he was lying, or is his experience just different than most? Or that he wasn't really an therein, nut tried to be a part of the community? and thats why he doesn't really know what he's talking about? Sorry, IM probably the one who doesn't know what they are talking about, but I am trying to understandd this a bit. Ok, ill tell you ht reason. A friend who I didn't know was a therian, well they didn't tell me they were, but I unintentionally found out. They don't know i know, (and I hope they don't find out. They aren't the type to get mad about that kind of thing, but i think it'd be awkward) but I just want to know what the heck all this is about. Conveniently, Kothorix had made this video, and I already watch his channel so I kinda did think the video was trustworthy. I did search and find this place, so I thought I'd ask here since its a whole community for this stuff and all. Sorry, I'm just probably not making any sense, but I hope you see where I'm coming from.
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Post by G.D. on Oct 10, 2016 11:08:59 GMT
Evening, @salix.
Therianthropy/Otherkinity is the identification as a non-human animal or creature at an integral level. Meaning you are said creature through and through to your core and there is no separation. To identify with an animal or non-human creature instead of as is known as being animal-hearted. Obsessions don't make identities and most people do not even like their kintype. It's about as much a choice as the color of one's skin. Therianthropy/Otherkinity is not a religion in any way, shape, or form. Something a lot of people fail to understand. The identification requires no faith and we do not follow a specific set of beliefs or doctrine. The identification can be a psychological one, a spiritual one, or a mixture of both.
You will find, in fact, that a large portion of the community leans towards psychological reasoning for their identification.
This idiot found a very fluffy group and just assumed all Otherkin were like this. He based his opinions and 'knowledge' on a singular experience and simply doesn't care to know the truth. He has no reason to care, even. He's a shallow minded and hearted individual who's too lazy to check it out for real and just wants to jump on the Otherkin bashing bandwagon that's been popular recently. Everything he said in the video is entirely inaccurate and he should be ashamed of himself.
Otherkin are not furries. A furry creates a character based on their desires and likes, and associates themselves with that character. They instill traits they have or wish they had on that character and use them as a manner of self expression. Being otherkin is not a choice, our identity is not separate from us, and we have no say in the matter regarding just about anything. Your kintype isn't something like you, it IS YOU.
I'll reiterate what I said above.
'This guy has no idea what Otherkin are and he should probably be beat with a bat while being lectured on his mistakes and pseudo intellectualism.'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 17:36:52 GMT
LOL I second @geist on all of the above.
He ran into people who play pretend and arent really Otherkin. (i.e. Tumblr or Facebook) They pretend that they are therian when majority of them arent. So he didnt have any experience with actual Otherkin/Therians. If he did, he wouldnt have made such an idiotic mind-numbing video, which he thinks he's right and knows what hes talking about... but in all honestly hes just talking out of his rear end.
As Geist and Lith have stated he just lumped us all together just like people who lump all Christians as KKK or Muslims as Jihadist.
Hes the typical common moron in todays society that doesnt care to do research on a group or culture. So guess whats easier? Lumping them all together ignorantly instead of properly educating them-self and then make fun of them. The jackass doesnt even want to actually take the time to learn about what Otherkin is, even though someone told him what it is in the comment section, he just ignores it because he thinks they are wrong or BS-ing and hes right. When you're Otherkin/therian, you cant just go- "OH! I'm not a Otherkin/Therian anymore." You cant just up and quit like being a furry or any other lifestyle. Thats NOT what it is. Just like Geist stated above, your Kin-type is you.
And again, I will join in with Geist beating this guy with a sock full of soap bars, until he actually understands what it is and stops being an idiot.
And seeing a few of this guys other vids...I highly doubt "trustworthy" is something I'd call him.
But as for you, thank you for actually taking time to research, coming on and asking what Otherkin/Therian is and learning about what it is, we here actually appreciate that. Because again, the mass majority doesnt like to educate themselves these days.
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Post by Kasumi Noxumbra on Oct 10, 2016 22:04:10 GMT
@salix
I have to agree with both Geist and Misae with what they said already as it's pretty much what I would have said if I had logged in earlier.  Anyways, to add in to what has been said already, just because someone, like the guy who made the video, seems trustworthy, it doesn't always mean they are 100% trustworthy. One must do lots of research into the matter at hand and find the answer. Questioning everything is what helps us learn and develop our understanding(s) of the world and of ourselves, and is a healthy part of our lives.
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Anyways, to add in to what has been said already, just because someone, like the guy who made the video, seems trustworthy, it doesn't always mean they are 100% trustworthy. One must do lots of research into the matter at hand and find the answer. Questioning everything is what helps us learn and develop our understanding(s) of the world and of ourselves, and is a healthy part of our lives.