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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 20:06:06 GMT
Last night, my mom told me that just about every night lately I've been saying something or doing something, and these are things that I don't remember. (We sleep in the same room.) I've done that in the past, and have chalked it up to sleepwalking, but I would only talk, on rare occasion would I get out of bed, and even then I'd get right back in bed, apparently. She probably sleeps through most of these incidents or doesn't remember them clearly. Apparently the night before last I was looking at a ball I have with glow in the dark patterns on it and saying it looked like a skeleton hand, and being scared of it (that kind of thing really wouldn't scare me.) Apparently the last several nights I have gotten scared of something or other. Although from what she has said of my talking, it isn't how I would talk if I was scared. In fact, if I was scared, I wouldn't say anything, I would just shift.
So, what I'm wondering here is if this means I'm multiple... somehow. I'm open to all options and opinions, and even if you haven't done any research, please still state your opinion. These are the options I think are possible: sleep disorders (I already have restless leg syndrome, although its very minor), multiplicity (which I have always been open to and exploring), memory loss, sleep talking, and really anything else. One weak theory I have is that I'm the invading spirit and there's a human suppressed in here somewhere, and that was the one that was getting scared? I really need some opinions.
I do have many kintypes and am very open to the idea of them being other spirits/past lives, and therefore, in a way, being different people. Although I had come tot he conclusion they were aspects of myself some time ago, ideas are always changing because of self discovery.
EDIT: I just had a thought that maybe it's a personality disorder, except I've never shown signs of that.
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Post by Railaybara on Jun 18, 2012 20:10:57 GMT
@seric It could be as simple as an over-active subconscious that takes over while you are sleeping, is there any stress or restlessness going on in your life right now? I do not believe it would be multiplicity, or at least not how we experience as such. It does not seem to fit, and if this were to happen in sleep than the person could act differently. I suppose in your sleep you could be by accident tapping into one of your memories or ideas of the past, since you do have many kin-types and past memories. Do you feel tired when you wake up at all? That is all I can think of. -Ssyjin
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Post by TwoFox on Jun 18, 2012 20:14:27 GMT
@seric Hmm, well that's pretty interesting. I think it's probably a sleep disorder. If you're a multiple then wouldn't your headmates try to make themselves known to you? I'm not sure because I'm not a multiple, but I think it's probably just a sleep disorder.
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Post by Railaybara on Jun 18, 2012 20:18:02 GMT
TwoFoxThat as well. It would seem that if she were multiple then she would know it from one aspect or another. At least from the people we have here in our system it is easier when everyone knows each other and is able to cooperate as one. -Ssyjin
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 20:26:37 GMT
@ Ssyjin
I have had some stress, but its lately gotten a lot better. For a few days it was pretty bad though. I do feel rather sleepy when I wake up.
@ Twofox
Not necessarily. It's possible they don't know how to communicate, or don't want me to know that they're there, I know someone who has had that happen.
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Post by TwoFox on Jun 18, 2012 20:37:43 GMT
@seric Maybe you could have your mother try to talk to you when it happens... Although that might backfire if she then believes you have a multiple personality disorder or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 20:41:52 GMT
@ TwoFox
She does talk to me when it happens and I reply. She knows about otherkin, vampires, and multiples, so it's safe.
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Post by TwoFox on Jun 18, 2012 20:43:39 GMT
@seric Has she ever asked you who you are when it happens?
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Post by Railaybara on Jun 18, 2012 20:45:51 GMT
@seric If you feel sleepy after getting a full nights rest that means that part of your mind is active enough to the point to not let you get very much rest since it is too busy running. The same with lucid dreaming, your mind is active during it causing you not nearly as much rest as would be if it were not and functioning only the basics as with sleep. Or at least I believe. -Ssyjin
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Post by House of Chimeras on Jun 18, 2012 20:46:33 GMT
It sounds like you might be sleep walking and/or sleep talking. I’ve heard it can actually fairly common. Maybe look into that and other symptoms of that, plus like TwoFox suggested ask your mother to replay or talk to you to try and see if you are actually asleep. Sense it only happens at night it might be that, plus if turns out to certainly not be sleep walking it might be something else (like either multiplicity or DID) or even some other phenomena or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 21:30:48 GMT
@ TwoFox
No, she just thinks I'm awake. I should say she can be very clueless, even if I didn't act like myself I doubt she'd notice.
@ssyjin
Yes, I remember that from my Psychology class. I've tried taking Melatonin to sleep better, but rather than helping me sleep, it makes me trip, like seeing things.
@ Zeoriel
I always thought it was sleep walking until my mom told me I was doing it every night, when before it was very rare, once every four years or so, and only when I had intense dreams. We had a unit on sleepwalking and other disorders similar to that, like sleep eating, in my psychology class, so I know at least a few things about it. She does reply, and to what she can tell, I am awake. The only thing that indicates I wasn't is that I never remember it, at all. There was one time when I 'sleepwalked' to my bedroom door to close it, but I vaguely remember that, I couldn't remember it well because I was so tired at the time (I had pulled an all nighter) but I do remember it. With these, I don't remember at all. When people sleepwalk, they are capable of holding conversations and appearing completely awake. I'm just not sure. If sleepwalking is caused by stress, this isn't the time for it be happening, it was the last three or so years that had me maxed out on stress, lately has not been nearly as bad.
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Post by Alteras System on Jun 18, 2012 21:34:40 GMT
@seric,
it could be any of a number of things, weird sleep behavior for any number of reasons you could think of, stress for example.
sleepwalking/talking is another thing coming into mind.
if you're sure you ruled out those, you could take at DID/ being a multiple as Chimera already mentioned. If it is indeed caused by a possible headmate then they haven't showed themselves yet to you, that is if you have searched for them.
We had a couple of occassions were someone would front while not revealing themselves to the system.
EDIT: so to your mother seems you're awake but you don't remember the things you did when "sleepwalking", if you normally remember things when sleepwalking it could be that your brain has temporaraly shutdown due to stress or there is indeed someone else performing those action, no other ideas at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 22:08:34 GMT
@ Alteras
Like I said, I haven't been nearly as stressed lately.
@ Thread
I just took a personality disorder test, and these are the results (this is not a diagnoses, but is meant to help you look into things):
Disorder - Possibillity Rating
Paranoid - Low Schizoid - Low Schizotypal - Low Antisocial - Low Borderline - Low Histrionic - Low Narcissistic - Low Avoidant - Low Dependent - Low Obsessive-Compulsive - Low
So... I don't think it's a disorder, at least not a personality disorder.
I also took a sleep disorder test, and the only thing that came up positive is acid reflux, which I knew I had. So... not sure it's a sleep disorder either. Again, it isn't a diagnosis, just advice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 22:15:21 GMT
@seric: My best friend/sister would do things like that in the middle of the night quite often. Whenever I spent the night at her house I would wake up in the middle of the night to her picking random objects up, wandering around, exploring the fridge, etc. if I tried talking to her she would look at me like I had surprised her, and like she had no idea who I was. She'd then kind of ignore me, and only look up at me when I asked any questions. It was quite odd. On one memorable occasion, she picked up my cell phone, opened it, mashed a bunch of buttons, smiled excitedly, and then closed it before tossing it up in the air and catching it again and again. After awhile she stopped, and went back to bed. -.-' I think its some kind of sleep disorder, but it could be linked to a more spiritual side of things maybe. I'm not really sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 22:17:55 GMT
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Yeah... I'm not like that when I do it. XD I respond, intelligently.
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Post by Doppel on Jun 18, 2012 22:19:06 GMT
@seric
Maybe I could suggest an experiment. If you have a camera that can record video for hours, I suggest aiming it at yourself before you sleep. Then if your parents tell you were up doing things and you don't remember anything, review the tape to see yourself get up and check how well you are doing.
You can also tell your mom that you are going to sleep, and if she sees you up after an hour or so, she can shake you to "wake you up."
Aside from that, Sleep-walking, Sleep-cooking, Sleep-Talking, Sleep-Driving and even Sleep-Murdering (in extreme cases) are possible, so do get that checked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 22:29:56 GMT
@ Doppel
I don't have any video camera. Also, you are NEVER supposed to try to wake someone who is sleep walking. That is very bad, I remember that strongly from Psychology classes.
@ Thread
I just did some more research, and I'm pretty sure at this point that isn't a disorder, it most certainly isn't DID, anyway. I also researched sleepwalking, and apparently it is incredibly rare in adults, but common in children. Not sure why that would be. Also, I remembered the research I did on Baron Karl von Reichenbach, who studied sleepwalkers in the late 1800's. He managed to link people who sleepwalk to a type of unidentifiable energy - the idea now is that sleepwalkers are people who are sensitive to said energies. He also named lifeforce energy, and found evidence of it existing. He named it 'odic force.' It's all very fascinating, and he found evidence linking energy to various crystals, moon light and sun light, etc. So it could be spiritual.
EDIT: Reichenbachs work is considered part of Fringe science and not accepted by the mainstream, despite the sheer amount of (moral) tests he did on countless sleepwalkers.
EDIT2: So you know Reichenbach wasn't just crazy, he was close to Tesla and they helped each other with experiments, and Tesla took a lot of inspiration from Reichenbach and also studied those energies and used them to help his work.
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Post by Doppel on Jun 18, 2012 23:02:41 GMT
@ Doppel I don't have any video camera. Also, you are NEVER supposed to try to wake someone who is sleep walking. That is very bad, I remember that strongly from Psychology classes. Hmm... I do remember my mother telling me stories about her sister who keeps sleepwalking. She had to shake her awake when she was about to sleepwalk off the stairs. She doesn't think it affected her, and I talk to her sometimes and I don't notice anything odd either. Have you tried sleeping earlier? You did tell me that you can't sleep for a few days because of our watching of Amnesia.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 23:16:18 GMT
@ Doppel
I've been sleeping well for the last several nights. I got over Amnesia. XD I know for sure you aren't supposed to wake someone who is sleepwalking. I don't know why, but it probably has something to do with the sleep cycle. I have been sleeping pretty well, not too tired during the day.
EDIT: @ Thread
Also, I've been meditating a lot lately, not sure if that's relevant. I have before tried to find other spirits if they are there, but not with any results at all, really. As in, I can't tell if they are there or not. There could be, or there might not be. I can't tell.
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Post by Alteras System on Jun 18, 2012 23:48:33 GMT
@seric
Are you able to properly concentrate on and visualize your innerworld? are you sure when trying you haven't temporarely blocked your senses?
We've heard that sometimes people block their senses and thus can't sense a presence properly.
Are you aware of the full extent of your innerworld? sometimes the innerworld can be pretty big, meaning if you don't check all of it, you won't be able to sense anything.
We know there's been a while that Sael thought we we're gone while we were just deeper in the innerworld.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 23:54:40 GMT
@ Alteras
Pretty sure. I can get very deep into meditation when doing it, to the point of not being aware of whats around my body at all. Hmm, I don't think I've blocked my senses, but it's possible. I do sense various presences with me, I just wasn't sure if it just that I was shifting to my other kintypes or other spirits, of those kintypes. I'm not really sure how to tell the difference. My innerworld is very big, but me and my other kintypes usually stay in a fairly small area. We occasionally go exploring, but those are kintypes I already know about. I just don't know how to tell the difference; are they aspects of me, other spirits, or some kind of combination? I don't expect you to have all the answers, I really just don't know how to tell the difference. I'm not asking anyone to try to choose which of those it is for me, only how to tell the difference.
EDIT:
Let me explain better. My other kintypes are obviously different species. I'll use the wyvern as an example. The wyvern is black, having only wings and hind legs, no front legs, unlike my main kintypes, a western dragon. She also has a different personality than me, but I can easily shift to her. However, I also sometimes feel her presence.
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Post by Doppel on Jun 18, 2012 23:58:57 GMT
My innerworld is very big, but me and my other kintypes usually stay in a fairly small area. We occasionally go exploring, but those are kintypes I already know about.What do you mean by "other kintypes?" Do you mean that they are other spirits with you?Now that you said it, Maybe you have unconsciously meditated deep enough to seem as if you are sleep-doingthings, and have no memory of the event. Has this happened before? EDIT: Edited because Seric edited his post and made my question redundant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 0:02:44 GMT
@ Doppel
Well, to my knowledge I don't meditate to my innerworld when I go to sleep. Not for quite a while, anyway. But that doesn't mean someone else couldn't be taking control while I'm asleep.
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Post by TwoFox on Jun 19, 2012 0:30:24 GMT
@seric
I honestly think its just a simple case of sleepwalking. I mean, people have been known to go down a flight of stairs and make themselves midnight snacks in their sleep.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 0:50:45 GMT
@ Twofox
Well, that's possible. But I do feel the presences sometimes. Of course, it could be both. I could be multiple AND be sleepwalking.
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