persuasive speech on therianthropy

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any ideas ? I kinda wish I hadn't choosen this as a topic now, since i'm afraid i'll miss up since I have lots of info to work with, so little time and i'm so inexperienced in the way of speeches. I'm used to poems or stories >.<;
it has to be under 3 minutes too o.o;

[hanael]

What are you going to be persuading the people to?

[uncrasamatic]

Oct 10, 2010 22:30:54 GMT @hanael said:

What are you going to be persuading the people to?

Question seconded.

@silverstep
As for speeches, they really aren't that big of a deal, you just make eye contact now and then while reading from your notes, be sure not to go "uh" or "um" or anything like that, enunciate to be sure the audience understands you.

I wish you were a little more detailed in your post, as you are being rather vague so none of us will know what you're talking about really.

[Re Harakhti]

I ... think... I know what you are saying?...
so....

It ALL depends whether you want to take the Spiritual/Psychological route, or just the 'it's a mental condition' route.

For Spirituality
Things you could include are;

The history of the world of Spirituality, and how animal worship, and symbolism, fits into human Culture, from the Egyptians who revered animals, to the Chinese zodiac, to the mythology of China and Europe (about Dragons, Kitsune, Gryphons) to the Native American oneness with nature, and the Earth, have shaped our Cultures over the years.

And that there are people who believe that they posses a Spiritual Kinship with the entity of an animal, or a being, that is not human in entirety. Whether it be through Reincarnation, or another Method.
They believe this Spirituality has a direct affect on their psychology, personality, and/or actions.


For pure Psychological chat;

(some people believe not in the Spiritual aspect but) that you could sum it up in Theory by suggesting that Therians/Otherkin are a product of their upbringing, or of other events which could have been, for example, traumatic, which might have led to them creating an 'alternate' reality/persona for themselves, in order to cope with, accept or mask, traumatic events they may have witnessed.

Whichever card you want to play, or you could suggest both, and leave it open for interpretation by the 'listeners', try to keep it unbiased and factual.

Hope some of this helps, somewhat.

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Hanael& Jamie: sorry that I was so vague i'm actually in the middle of writing it
so basically I'm winging it then I'm going to rewrite it
I believe I'm trying persuade people to accept therianthropy

Re: yes you got it, yeah i think i'm going the psychological/condition route but i think i'll throw in some spiritual stuff along the way to keep it fresh


as for what I have so far :/ well here it is ...

Not many people know what a therian is,not even I did, till I looked it up.

Why is Therianthropy still an unknown? because it's still a "touchy" subject. Some therians fear rejection from family,friends, or peers. Younger therians tend to ether throw barriers around themselves to hide, deny themselves completely and mark it as imagination or accept it depending on their personality and the circumstances. Many others seem to accept it later on and call it "finding themselves" or "awakening".

please give suggestions, the last part i just kinda threw in just now

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this is just a rough draft though so it'll probably change dramatically sooner or later

[uncrasamatic]

@silverstep

The first thing you should do is explain what Therianthropy or Otherkinism is, I know it's 3 minutes or less but you really need to be detailed and specific.

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or maybe instead of quoting i could go state simply that a therian is a person who identifies with an animal on a spiritual or mental level or to rephrase a person who has animal integrated into themselves

i prefer this actually
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modify: ok new version
what do you think?
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Not many people know what a therian is,not even I did, till I looked it up.

Why is Therianthropy still an unknown? because it's still a "touchy" subject. Some therians fear rejection from family,friends, or peers. Younger therians tend to ether throw barriers around themselves to hide, deny themselves completely and mark it as imagination or accept it depending on their personality and the circumstances. Many others seem to accept it later on and call it "finding themselves" or "awakening".

what is a therian you may ask? This in itself proves my point.

Therianthropy is a phenomenon in which a person who strongly identifies with an animal on a spiritual or mental level or to rephrase a person who has animal integrated into themselves or their very fiber of being.

[hanael]

@ Silverstep:

Since you're trying to persuade people to accept it, using any sort of Wiki site won't help your case because Wiki sites are notorious poor in any sort of information.

You might want to add that some therians really feel no need to tell others that they are therians because it would add on a label to them that really doesn't need to be added. Labels can present a wide range of challenges, and there are a few therians that don't want people to think of a label when they see them. And then you have others that feel no one needs to know because it's not that big of an issue with them.

Added:

If you decide to throw in shifts, make sure you tell people that the majority of sane and rational therians don't think physical shifting is possible due to the physics involved.

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Hanael: well i took out the wiki quote it was to long :/ , as for labels i was starting to add that , and as far as shifts go, if i do add anything about shifts, i'll add that but I believe adding anything about shifts will just be to much for my class to handle (even if it is an honors course)

therianthropy in itself as a new topic blows the mind and opens new windows in reality
at least it did for me

[uncrasamatic]

@silverstep

I STILL suggest defining therians at the beginning, not at the end, that way your audience will have some background. Also, as was already stated, quoting from a wikia is not a valid source for anything, as you go through college you learn that more and more (and life in general).

To add: Why not also define Otherkinity in general, I mean there aren't just therians, don't you think you ought to advocate for everyone?

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"sighs" well I might add otherkin in somewhere but I already choose therianthropy as my topic

i'll probably do otherkin next essay if I do good on this one, if you guys don't mind

btw here what I got now
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Not many people know what a therian is,not even I did, till I looked it up.

Why is Therianthropy still an unknown? because it's still a "touchy" subject.
what is a therian you may ask? This in itself proves my point.

Therianthropy is a phenomenon in which a person who strongly identifies with an animal on a spiritual or mental level or to rephrase a person who

has animal integrated into themselves or their very fiber of being.


Some therians fear rejection from family,friends, or peers.
Younger therians tend to ether throw barriers around themselves to hide, deny themselves completely and mark it as their imagination or accept it depending on their personality and the circumstances. Many others seem to accept it later on in life and call it "finding themselves" or "awakening".

[uncrasamatic]

@silverstep

Indeed of mental write psychological as that is more of a proper word than mental.

I think you need to rewrite the second part starting with "some therians" as your wording is a little confusing and you are writing in run ons. When in doubt, read outloud.

I'm not trying to be harsh so I apologize if I seem so, just trying to help.

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thats ok i need the criticism , and please tell me how i'm confusing because i can't tell how exactly,oh and I did change metal to psychological "laughs" though mental is alot easier to say
______________ok heres what i have now


Not many people know what a therian is,not even I did, till I looked it up.

Why is Therianthropy still an unknown? because it's still a "touchy" subject.
what is a therian you may ask? This in itself proves my point.

Therianthropy is a phenomenon in which a person strongly identifies with an animal on a spiritual or psychological level or to rephrase a person who

has animal integrated into themselves or their very fiber of being.


Some therians fear rejection from family,friends, or peers.
Younger therians tend to ether throw barriers around themselves to hide, deny themselves completely and mark it as their imagination or accept it depending on their personality and the circumstances. Many others seem to accept it later on in life and call it "finding themselves" or "awakening".


why do these therians hide? even though being therian is so closely tied who they are?
It's because as I said earlier they fear rejection,labels,mocking.

Like with anybody who's different these things will apply,people just fear what they don't understand, so as a result the individuals who are different are usually the ones who end up the victim.

This being said being a therian isn't ideal and many therians in some instances wish they weren't one at all.

therianthropy is still under research and still is being questioned for it's realism,since as with all psychological subjects it's hard to prove with hard evidence, for that reason it's still an "ify" subject, and there is no clear cut way to tell whether you're a therian or not, at the time being it takes dedication,and in most cases plenty of research on the subject and on the animal you think you might identify with.

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i think i'm beginning to ramble...

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"sighs" i'll be back later tomorrow i'm being forced to get off even though i'm doing homework =.=

[Re Harakhti]

"Not many people know what a therian is,not even I did, till I looked it up."

This part isn't needed,

"Why is Therianthropy still an unknown? because it's still a "touchy" subject."

Therianthropy isn't really a 'touchy' subject, most people don't even know it 'exists', it's just a belief.
Because there's no way of proving it, people don't find it substantial enough for it to have 'issues' surrounding it yet, until someone acts crazy and gets picked up by the media, like those 'teen werewolves. (which if you had time, you could have mentioned, but really.. don't lol)

You need to buckle down and explain what it's about, without adding too much 'opinion' in to it.
I'd move straight on to;

The Definition of Therianthropy is;
Theri- Animal
Anthro- Man
py- simply rounds off the word, really.

It is a phenomenon in which a person strongly identifies with an Earthly animal on a Spiritual AND Psychological level,
OR in which a person purely expresses the traits/behaviours they believe an animal has, which they have 'acquired' at some point in their life, due to, as example, a tragic event, or a difficult upbringing.
Thus creating an alternate 'Persona'.
Some may argue that only an outside source gives you a distinct animal entity, whereas others support the Theory that is it purely Psychological.

Therian-Kin Spirituality, for most, may be a difficult topic to discuss amongst those with a less open view of Spirituality, strict Religious ideals, or those who do not consider either.
Some Therians, because of this, and their own discomfort, fear rejection from those they associate with, such as family, friends and peers. And because of this, may feel isolated, or 'different'.

Though that's not to say it is any easier for those who feel it is purely Psychological, they still face the same difficulties telling those around them, and do experience the same doubt issues that Spiritual Therians encounter.



"why do these Therians hide? even though being therian is so closely tied who they are?
It's because as I said earlier they fear rejection,labels,mocking."

You're repeating what you already said.

"Like with anybody who's different these things will apply,people just fear what they don't understand, so as a result the individuals who are different are usually the ones who end up the victim."

Therians aren't feared, (going back to the teen werewolves who think people are 'scared of them') nor do they really fear what they think they are. I think with this statement, you're giving a wrong impression about Therianthropy, we aren't victimised any more than other people, because there's no proof of our personal belief.
People will always be mocked if they appear different to the norm, that goes for Anyone.

There is no clear cut way to tell whether someone is a therian or not, for some, a sense of Therianthropy is already evident, and simply needs defining/explaining, for others, it requires plenty of research on the subject, and research on the animal an individual thinks they might identify with.

"Therianthropy is still under research and still is being questioned for it's realism,since as with all psychological subjects it's hard to prove with hard evidence, for that reason it's still an "ify" subject"

It's not under 'research'.... As far, as I know, anywhere in the Psychological Studies community. For Psychology affected by Spirituality, it's just a 'belief', like Christianity or Wicca, or Shamanism, it's not 'proven' or 'diagnosed'.
You can't question a belief for 'realism'.

But yes, the pure Psychological state is yet unproven. (though, again, it's not under 'research'.
I'm not sure how it's an "iffy" subject? That sort of makes it sound dangerous, or unstable, when it really isn't as dramatic as that.

Just stick to the definitions, because I'm worried you might leave a sort of 'we think we are werewolves' impression. Especially if you did add shifting and phantom limbs into the mix.

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@ Re:"laughs" you just rewrote my essay with one good sweep of the hand, you have very valid points too (as usual) , I think i tend to lean toward making it seem like an "ify" subject because it can have more then one definition depending on the person you talk to it seems everyone has their own definition :/ , as for "research" i'm not even suggesting that anybody with a degree is studying this "laughs" just stating to them that people are still debating about it, well educated and sane people, but i'll change it anyway "nods"

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@re & Kharu - I apoligize thats what i get for posting early in the morning

[Re Harakhti]

Silverstep, don't forget to shout!

You've said there is more than one definition, that could be true, but saying a subject is 'iffy' isn't really defining it. Just stating an opinion about how someone feels about it. How you feel about it is a personal thing, and doesn't define the community, or the meaning of the term Therianthropy.

And you just have to be careful which words you use, when you use the word 'research' you suggest that people with clip boards and computers are analysing the subject.

And yes, you had some very valid points, which I just added to. Hence the re-write.
I didn't just wipe your paragraph off the screen, but incorporated it into something more formal, and general, which you can display, unbiased, to an audience with no idea.

Hope that helps.
If not. Just say what you want, because, evidently, you will anyway.

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Oct 10, 2010 23:06:24 GMT @silverstep said:

Hanael& Jamie: sorry that I was so vague i'm actually in the middle of writing it
so basically I'm winging it then I'm going to rewrite it
I believe I'm trying persuade people to accept therianthropy

To be perfectly honest and give you my opinion, I would dislike anyone, regarding sex, image and intentions if they tried to talk to me about something and tried convincing me it's out there, or just to be made aware of it. I know that therianthropy is not religion, and you might not want to go around and knock on peoples doors but just so you are aware it will annoy strangers if you tried to expand what you enjoy by talking to them.

An other important thing to consider, is that what you say about therianthropy to whoever, someone else explaining the very subject to the very person will explain it differently and both will not match. Unlike religions which usually follow a certain book, therianthropy is personalised and different between all individuals who hold the belief.

I do not agree with spreading it, or trying to.

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@silverstep

I'll have to give you a short period warning if you don't shout or quote again, it is getting too out of hand I'm afraid failing to use the functions five time in just one thread. You need to Re-read the rules and edit all your posts so they feature the "Name"@ (shout)

Thank you for taking your time to read this.

[uncrasamatic]

@kharu

I do agree with you. I think that picking therianthropy to make a speech for is just asking for trouble, not just for the individual but potentially for the community. Taking a short time slot of 3 minutes and hoping to educate a bunch of previously ignorant to the subject people, not gonna happen.

@silverstep
If you do hope to make this work your speech needs to be well phrased, well written, well rehearsed and well researched. Also the thing I said about why not talking about Otherkin too was a joke, in reality I'm not really fond of this idea but I mean, no one can stop you and I suppose if you've already picked the topic then you have to see it through. I just hope that you can get it all together by the due date (for whatever this speech is for).

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Oct 11, 2010 19:46:43 GMT @uncrasamatic said:

@kharu

I do agree with you. I think that picking therianthropy to make a speech for is just asking for trouble, not just for the individual but potentially for the community. Taking a short time slot of 3 minutes and hoping to educate a bunch of previously ignorant to the subject people, not gonna happen.

Too precisely.

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@ Kharu : o.o; I didn't talk to strangers really, just my class, so it's not serious , I just chose the topic based on what I knew i'd work the hardest on.Most of the grade is based on enthusiasim.

@kharu & Jamie: I know it's not going to happen, as I said before, I chose Therianthropy because it's a topic I can be serious about it.

@ Re: thankyou for the helpful rewrites

@everyone: "bows" thankyou everyone for you tips,suggestions,and creative critisim.
My rewrite was much better though only half of them understood what I was saying, my class reacted nicely and my teacher seemed (surprising to me) very impressed she said the only thing that I missed up on was that it wasn't very persuasive.Why this suprises me is, because she's a hard critic , I know this from journalism last year.
Thank you agian guys it helped alot I apoligize sinserly if I troubled you in any way...
which I believe I did....